EP 120
Welcome fellow confidence crusaders, neuro nerds and success equalizers. This is your podcast, Real Confidence. I'm your host, Alyssa Dver, and I'll be sharing a bit of basic brain science, some surprising social secrets and a touch of tough love. Why? Because I believe confidence is everyone's fundamental right and choice. So let's get to it.
Alyssa Dver
I'm I know you're all seeing but I'm looking at Jeff Luther on the screen, and I'm kind of psyched to start asking you questions, because Jeff, you had a near death experience before we get there. Introduce yourself. You have a home inspection company, that's what you do for day work?
Jeff Luther
That's right, yes.
Alyssa Dver
And tell me a little bit like, how and why you love doing this kind of coaching and advisory. Or, like, what was it that brought you to that place?
Jeff Luther
Oh wow. Alright, I'll do cut me off if I get too long. So I started, I, you know, I've owned my own business for 22 years, and then I was kind of looking for that next thing, fulfillment. And I started coaching other service business companies, which is, is okay, but it's not fulfilling. And I realized that a lot of these business owners that I was working with, it wasn't really the business acumen they needed. It was, it was the mindset issues. It was they needed permission. You know, a business owner, they still need permission, permission to fail, permission to try. They needed confidence. They needed help with, yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, they needed help with mindset issues. Imposter syndrome is kind of the buzzword right now, and we all suffer from that. So I kind of gravitated into just doing mindset and life coaching as a default,
Alyssa Dver
Yeah, and I love the fact, because, you know, I have a lot of similarities, and just a little bit you said, you know, haven't been was in business a long time, looking for something different and finding out people just needed some confidence, to say the least. And I love that. But here's where our stories diverge. Tell me what happened, near death experience. Actually, it sounds like it was actual death experience. It
Jeff Luther
was actual death Yeah. So you have SCA and SCD. So SCA is sudden cardiac arrest. SCD is sudden cardiac death. Sudden cardiac death, they typically find in an autopsy. So with me, my heart actually stopped. I went for eight minutes with no pulse, no breath, um, then before, everybody's like, Oh, you know, you just take better care of yourself. Hey, I'm a fit dude. I ran a 50k the week before I came in second place. So I am, I'm fit. And if that rings with anybody, go get your heart checked out.
Alyssa Dver
Alright, I got like, a bazillion questions. First question is, was this the first incident any in any I mean, was it like out of the blue? You didn't, no idea, and blup stopped.
Jeff Luther
That’s a, yeah, that's a good question. I now I had had issues when, like, if I ran, one of my favorite things to do is to run in the heat of the day. I like to run at like, three o'clock in July, in the afternoon. I know, yeah, we won't go there. So I'd started having issues running like, I would run like, I'd get to like, you know, eight or 10 miles in, and I would get really tired. And one day, and I was always running with my dog, and so, you know, if you ever saw me, my dog's always just kind of pulled me along. And then one day, I had to actually sit down on a run, and I had someone come over and ask me if I was okay. They're like, I see you running through here all the time. Why? Why are you sitting down? I was like, I'm I'm tired, you know, I'm just short of breath. So I went to a cardiologist. They did a series of tests on me, and the doctor was just like, dude, look at you. Yeah. I mean, you're fine. You know, you passed all these tests. You're fine. That was in September of 2020, and then the the episode happened in June of 2021.
Alyssa Dver
I hope that cardiologist apologized, but we'll get there so, so tell me you were you? What were you doing? And then you dropped. And eight minute, eight minutes,
Jeff Luther
eight minutes. Alyssa. You got it? You got it? Okay, yeah, sorry.
Alyssa Dver
What were you doing right before you stopped?
Jeff Luther
I was so it was a Saturday. It was Saturday June the 12th. I just finished the 50k The weekend before on June. The 13th, June, the sixth. So I took the week off. I was doing, I was in a CrossFit workout with my oldest son, who, at the time, was 16. He was my partner. So, you know, in a partnered workout, like you worked really close with the person that you're partnered with, you count their reps. They count yours. You know exactly what they're doing. So we're doing this workout together. And I started getting, I could feel my pulse in my neck, like it was super, super heavy, like it was like, you know, like someone was choking me. But I could, I could breathe fine, but I could feel the tension. And it was like crazy fast. And it just kept getting faster, and it kept getting more prominence, like, man, I'm, I'm going to have to have to take a knee. I'm getting tired, so I started getting lightheaded and just cutting right to the chase. It just kept going until I finally I had to lay down. And I laid down on the gym floor, and the last thing that I saw was my son's shoes walking towards me. I was like, oh my God, I've got to get up. I have to get up. And I couldn't I my brain was processing what I needed to do. But there was no, it was like, there's no hydraulic fluid in my body. It's not like what you see on TV or, you know, they crawl to the gun because someone's about to shoot them in agony, and one like that. It was just, it was just, I was out,
Alyssa Dver
Whoa. So obviously they, I always say, obviously, I hope they call paramedics.
Jeff Luther
Yeah, yeah. Here's a spoiler alert, I survived.
Alyssa Dver
Yeah right. Thank you. I appreciate that, because it just confirms that I'm on the right planet. But no, I mean, come on, when you were out, first of all, do you remember anything you were out, out and you woke and then you wake up and you're in the hospital? Is that kind of the what happened?
Jeff Luther
No, so I was out, right? I'm totally out. They start doing they first, you know, they and my son kind of walked me through this. And then my weightlifting coach was there too, and she repeated, what happened. So they start, you know, what you normally do? You start slapping people around, right? Yay. Come on. Wake up. Wake up. It's June in South Carolina, and I'm in a metal building with no air conditioning, so it's, it's hot, like it's crazy hot. So they thought I just passed out. There was an ice machine there, so they got a bucket of ice, they put ice on me, and then somebody said he doesn't have a pulse. And this was probably, like two minutes in it. There's a video, actually, because they have cameras in the gym. So it's like two minutes into it, somebody said, I didn't have a pulse. Then they started doing chest compressions. And then someone says, Get the AED. So thankfully, there was an AED there, an external defibrillator. And they went, got that, put that on me, and it didn't. Those things only work if you detect rhythm, you know, like we see it bring dead people back to life in movies, but there have to be an electrical current on your heart for it to work. So I had no current, no pulse, nothing. And so it says audibly, to do chest compression. So they're doing chest compressions. And then it found a rhythm. I guess my heart kind of went into rhythm for a second. And so it shocked me. And when it shocked me, I flatlined, it gave the audible, the beep, the tone of a flat line. And my son was watching this whole thing. And then that happened again. And then the third time it worked, I woke up.
Alyssa Dver
Oh, my God, so you said in the notes when you pitched me, this changed your life.
Jeff Luther
Yeah. Oh my gosh, like so many ways, but I will tell you this, so I'm going to compress this. If you have questions, stop me. But I so I went 30 days. I went to the hospital. They diagnosed me with ARVC arrhemogenic right ventricular cardiomyopathy. I'm sure everyone's taking diligent notes. If you want any spelling suggestions, I'm letting you know which the condition of my heart is exacerbated with exercise. So in the diagnosis, they said, Hey, you cannot exercise. It will kill you. So that was taken from me, right? Everything was taken from me. I couldn't exercise, I couldn't connect with my kids that you know, I was working out with my son, and they told me I'd never be able to do that again. So I became super bitter, like angry, bitter, because I know what everyone everyone says, Oh my gosh. I bet you're so grateful. Oh my gosh. God has a plan for you. Oh my gosh. I bet you're thankful for every minute you're alive. Oh my gosh. I bet you see the world different. Yeah, I saw the world different. I was angry, I was bitter. I did everything right, and it still happened to me.
And the first thing I did after my 30 days, after my surgery, is I went back to the gym like any smart male athlete would do, right? And it happened again, but this time, I knew what was happening. I knew that I was dying and that there's no bargaining, there's no begging for another minute, there's no invitation. Death doesn't call ahead, and I knew what was happening. Yeah, and that I became paralyzed with fear, and then my body came out of that rhythm on its own. It was 36 seconds, and I didn't get shocked or anything. And that's when I realized the you know people talk about, well, when you're on your deathbed, are you going to say I should have worked more, or should have played with my kids more, or I should have done this thing, or whatever that is, and you you don't have that opportunity. You know, some of us will be so lucky as to be able to draw out death and get all these things done on our list that we wanted to do, but I had 36 seconds, and I didn't think anything about what I should have accomplished or could have done or would like to have seen, all I wanted to do, Alyssa, was hug my son. I just wanted connection, and that's really what I wanted. And I couldn't hug my son. He was standing right behind me. I didn't want him to know what had just happened, because I had to pretend that everything was okay. I had to pretend that I was in control. I had to pretend that I was alright. And so that changed and and I've got, like this sincere appreciation for connecting with people, even in the even in the 10 second term. Like we walk by people and we say, how are you? And we hope to God, they say, fine, because if they don't, then we've gotta, like, oh well, gee. What's wrong? You know, I love to say, like, how's the day treating you? How's your day treating you? How's it going one to 1010, being amazing. What's your day like? And let them answer you like, and if they say, there's a I'm in my days a two. Oh, my God. What are we gonna we first? Let's make it a, let's make it a three, then let's work on it seven. You know, it's the it's so. So that's a really long answer, but those things changed me.
Alyssa Dver
Well, you said something in there about I couldn't, because I had to not let them know what's going on. Yeah, that change, or was that because? Because, here's the thing for me, I'm like, be vulnerable, man. Like tell them.
Jeff Luther
Oh year, for sure. Yeah. Vulnerability is your superpower. Whoever you are, vulnerability is your superpower.
Alyssa Dver
Wow. So so much more gratitude, appreciation, being present, all those things you kind of said without saying those actual words. What about your son? How did it impact him?
Jeff Luther
Oh, that's a great story. Actually, I have a 30 minute talk on that about connection for all the parents out there. If you have no takeaway Other than this, when it comes to your kids, go to the danger, and this is what I'm talking about. I would ask my son, I you know, I knew that, that something had to be up with my son. I didn't have the trauma. Someone turned the lights out and they turned them back on. That was the episode that I saw. He saw me lying on the floor turning gray, and then pumping on my chest to him I was dead. So I would ask him. I was like, cash, are you okay? And he would say, yeah. And I would say, Great. Hey, cash, do you want to talk to somebody about what happened? He would say, No, are you okay? And you say, Yeah. I would say, great.
And then we had an instant where something happened in a wrestling match that he was in, and a kid got hurt, and it was, it was graphic and gory, and it was a total accident, nothing intentional by anyone, but my son lost it, like he lost his lost his shit, you know, like lost his composure on the wrestling mat, and I had to come Out of the stands and grab him and hold him and get him under control. He was totally gone. And he just what? He was totally disconnected. And finally he looked at me. I said, Cash. He's going to be okay. He's going to be okay. And he like, I couldn't reach him. I said, Cash, you have to get control. Do you trust me? And he stopped, and he looked at me. He said, I cannot hear the sirens. I cannot hear the sirens. He knew this. They knew an ambulance was coming. And that's when I was like, oh my gosh, I've been hiding from the answers I knew were coming, because I would ask him, are you okay? Well, what's a 16 year old teenage boy going to say, right, no, I need to talk to someone. No, he's going to say, Yeah, I'm okay. And that's when I had to I was like, Oh my gosh, I've gotta connect. I've gotta connect with my son. I've gotta go to the danger. I've gotta get the answers I'm afraid of because I had, I had my own road to recovery that was hard enough mentally. Now I knew that I'd be throwing my son's recovery onto that road as well, and there was going to be work to do that, Alyssa, I didn't know that I would be equipped to do and that was terrifying, and I did not want to hear that my son was broken.
Alyssa Dver
So here's what I'd like to do. I'm going to take a very quick break, because I want to come back to that statement of broken and reconnected to some of the other folks that you talk to in terms of, you know, does it take near death to fix some of the maybe not even the trauma, just the imposter syndrome, some of the things that we all suffer from that kind of keep us from doing what we really want to do. So if you bear with me, we're going to just take a couple second break.
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Alyssa Dver
Jeff, I am almost like have to remind myself to breathe as you've been telling this story. It's unreal what happens in my head, and I hope I never have to go through it myself. But you clearly did, and like you said, spoiler alert, all good right now, but you know, I don't want to have to go through that kind of situation to awaken some things in myself. I certainly know that your clients, my clients, you know, they're not always that traumatized as you and your son. Why? Why do you what are you finding? I'd love to compare some notes like, why do people get stuck in their own ways, with that fear of going to places like you said, of connecting and being vulnerable? What's really the big thing? And I love the fact that I'm talking to somebody who's male, because a lot of our listeners are male, and I think, unfortunately, you're for what it's worth, that's where it leans in this particular conversation.
Jeff Luther
Oh yeah, yeah, that's you're being, you're being kind, I think, in in saying that, yeah, that is where it leans. Vulnerability is not prevalent in men. That's for sure. The brain is broken, that's what I think. So the brain has a job to protect us, and it tells us these things to look out for, right? Look out for this. Well, it goes back to like our our caveman days, and so we're constantly focused on what can or what is going to be wrong. And I think that's where a lot of this stems from. So you have this constant feed of safety. You know, the brain's job is to protect us, so we're it's a constant flight to safety, and the way to do that is to point out what's what's going to happen that's bad, and that's where we focus. And you know, when I went through all this, when I was in my recovery, I would walk on the beach, and I would see people smiling or happy, and I would think, you know, how dare you do? You have any idea the pain that I'm in? And it was so ridiculous. And then, you know, one day, I was like, Oh my gosh, I tell you, how dare they because they choose, they choose to be happy, and I'm choosing to be sad.
Alyssa Dver
Oh, amen to that. I love it. Yeah, I love it. I don't. I don't know how much you know about me. My the name of my book is confidence. Is a choice, right? And that's right, that's the underlie, but it's, it's, sometimes it's easier said than done, right? So for sure, what flipped that switch for you? Maybe you can share that in other people's switches can flip to what flip the thing? Stop miring in that misery.
Jeff Luther
Yeah. So I knew. So here's the thing. I realized, that people don't care what happens to you, and I don't mean that that people are terse or or they're insensitive. People don't care what happens to you. They can't get where you are, like when I went back to the gym the the second time, I had people come to me and say, Hey, I know how it is. One time I hurt my shoulder, yeah. I mean, you know you got another shoulder. I only have one heart, you know? So they so they can't. And they meant it with love. And seriously, they meant it with love. It was all with love, but they can't get where you are emotionally. So they don't care what happens to you, but what they care about is how you respond. And I was responding poorly, and I had to figure it out. So the the way that I finally got it together. I was like, you know, people are watching me. They're watching how I respond. And I may be a model for just one person in the entire world, but I better be a damn good one. And so I was like, I've gotta find, you know, what's great about this? Where's the gratitude? How do I find gratitude? And that's where I started. You know, gratitude doesn't have to be this big, monumental thing, and it was so, just so elusive to me, and I knew that there were things to be happy about, and I chose not to see them.
Alyssa Dver
Well, I am so grateful that you chose to see them. I'm so happy that you are not just okay, but my new favorite quote is, not all superheroes wear capes, and you're definitely a superhero in my mind, for doing the work you do. Like you said, if it helps one person, your son or anyone else, it's a good day, right? Oh, for sure, yeah. So I know people will love to reach out talk more with you. You said you do a keynote, and that's a beautiful way of giving back and having gratitude and helping lots of people. What's the best way to reach you? My friend?
Jeff Luther
Probably the best way is on Instagram. I've got two pages. JD Luther 2.0 and then AllCan_NoCan't
Alyssa Dver
Perfect. We will definitely put those in show notes, and I hope, I really do. Hope you continue this beautiful sharing of the story and the information that you share and the positivity, because, God, the world needs positivity at all times, but particularly these days. So thank you for being here and sharing it with the audience.
Jeff Luther
You got it. Thanks for giving me a platform to tell my story. I appreciate it.
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